Curse

Stupid Shizno · Nov 13, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

i got into pvp because of the favor. i wanted favor, so i went to tombs (back in the day) and pugged to try to win it back. by the time i got 1200 fame from doing this all the time. i realized, fow is meaningless.

Maximumraver · Nov 13, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Stormcloud

Make a choice. If you "payed" for UW/FoW then register your account to europe. Since they have favor most of the time during the day that would seem to be your best option.

Agreed

B Ephekt · Nov 13, 2006, 10:40 PM // 22:40

The favor system is fine in my opinion, it acts as an initiative for pve farmers to try out pvp for a change, and ties nicely into the story line. Less QQing please, there's no real reason to change it.

lennymon · Nov 13, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

It's not Europe's fault us americans are all fat, lazy and inept is it?
This is not 2 games (pve/pvp) despite what the little fanboys and girls will have you believe. There are both aspects in the SAME BOX. play the whole game if you really want your money's worth. The reward system is for people who play the game as intended. If your server has favor and doesn't care for go to FoW/UW there is no gain other than pumping up fame. If all you want is to farm ectos, no gain since you're not interested in doing what it takes to get favor. Farmers can go farm trolls and buy ectos, so the content is still available. Random arenas is unaffected.

It comes down to 2 choices unless Anet decides to change the system (which I highly doubt and personally would think was sad)
1: deal with it (acceptance is a virtue) and either fight for favor, or go farm for something else.
2: whine more, thus proving you (and your whole neighborhood) are unworthy of the favor of the gods!

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 13, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

Once again, why should I have to try PVP to get access to PVE content?
And the word isn't "try" because you're gonna have to go back and keep playing to keep favor. Of course this is after you learn how to PVP, find a decent group, and win 5 times in a row.

And for everyone saying jump to Euro servers, think about what you're actually saying. I shouldn't have to move servers to me able to go to UW/FoW. What happens when I want to play with my friends, who aren't as in UW/FoW, back on my old server? You can only switch so many times before you're stuck. Let's not forget that there's a reason it's better to be on the American servers if you live in America, or Korean server if you live in Korea.

Oh, and lennymon, I'm not fat, lazy nor inept. I'm sure there are plenty more people in this forum from America that can say that exact same thing. The fact you start off your post with such a generalization, in my opinion, makes anything you have to say void and not worth listening to. But could you please explain to me how not PVPing makes anyone fat, lazy, and inept? Because, to me, that's what your post is saying.

Also, no one is whining. Simply asking why an obvously flawed system is still in place and wanting a good answer to it.

Gun Pierson · Nov 13, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

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Originally Posted by lennymon

It's not Europe's fault us americans are all fat, lazy and inept is it?
This is not 2 games (pve/pvp) despite what the little fanboys and girls will have you believe. There are both aspects in the SAME BOX. play the whole game if you really want your money's worth. The reward system is for people who play the game as intended. If your server has favor and doesn't care for go to FoW/UW there is no gain other than pumping up fame. If all you want is to farm ectos, no gain since you're not interested in doing what it takes to get favor. Farmers can go farm trolls and buy ectos, so the content is still available. Random arenas is unaffected.

It comes down to 2 choices unless Anet decides to change the system (which I highly doubt and personally would think was sad)
1: deal with it (acceptance is a virtue) and either fight for favor, or go farm for something else.
2: whine more, thus proving you (and your whole neighborhood) are unworthy of the favor of the gods!

Most provoking post I saw in a long time. You're not only rude, I highly doubt it you're an American but a European in disguise due to your grammar and point of view. Which makes me ashame you're on the same continent as I am.

Stockholm · Nov 14, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by lennymon

This is not 2 games (pve/pvp) despite what the little fanboys and girls will have you believe. There are both aspects in the SAME BOX.

I guess you missed the PvP edition going online.
It is infact 2 games now.

Gun Pierson · Nov 14, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

The favor system is fine in my opinion, it acts as an initiative for pve farmers to try out pvp for a change, and ties nicely into the story line. Less QQing please, there's no real reason to change it.

I'm honestly wondering when pvp players will finally realise that most of the pve players and especially farmers alrdy tried pvp out and don't give a dam.

B Ephekt · Nov 14, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I'm honestly wondering when pvp players will finally realise that most of the pve players and especially farmers alrdy tried pvp out and don't give a dam.

That's really nice that you feel that way, but I'm pretty sure you don't speak for all players.

Favor is a system to encourage people to try out pvp, I don't really see how that's a bad thing. In fact, I know quite a few people who got started in tombs due to the favor mechanic... so it obviously works.

Still, I've yet to hear any valid reasons for the change other than "I want to go to UW/FoW anytime I want, it's so unfair!!!".

Gun Pierson · Nov 14, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

That's really nice that you feel that way, but I'm pretty sure you don't speak for all players.

Favor is a system to encourage people to try out pvp, I don't really see how that's a bad thing. In fact, know quite a few people who got started in tombs due to the favor mechanic... so it obviously works.

Still, I've yet to hear any valid reasons for the change other than "I want to go to UW/FoW anytime I want, it's so unfair!!!".

No I'm not speaking for all of them that's why I said 'most'. Where do I get this? Someone posted some stats here earlier and 80% of the comunity plays pve. Sure some will pvp once in a while, but they're not gonna go that far to be able to win 5 times in a row in the halls vs some real hardcore veteran pvp teams.

Also the stats how the pvp community is divided over the continents were posted here too and europe has an unfair advantage. I do remind you I'm on the euro server myself. So what do I care, maybe I want to give other people a fair chance to have some fun in uw and fow too. Because I know how it felt the first months after release when europe almost never had favor.

Ever thought about it that a lot of people don't like to pvp? No one can push them, not Anet, not you. I also wanne add I have nothing against pvp players, they're part of our community.

B Ephekt · Nov 14, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

You’re still missing my point… If the favor mechanic is getting ANY players to try out pvp for the first time, then it’s doing its job. From my personal experiences, favor has brought new people into pvp, so I can’t really see it as a bad thing.

As for giving people a chance, Euro servers are available to them if they really want access that bad. I know some will write this off as a non-option, but it’s the obvious choice of actions for those complaining so vehemently. I’m American and was on Euro servers myself up until the most recent updates, so it's not like I’m suggesting something I find to be farfetched.

Gun Pierson · Nov 14, 2006, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

You’re still missing my point… If the favor mechanic is getting ANY players to try out pvp for the first time, then it’s doing its job. From my personal experiences, favor has brought new people into pvp, so I can’t really see it as a bad thing.

As for giving people a chance, Euro servers are available to them if they really want access that bad. I know some will write this off as a non-option, but it’s the obvious choice of actions for those complaining so vehemently. I’m American and was on Euro servers myself up until the most recent updates, so it's not like I’m suggesting something I find to be farfetched.

I do got your point and I have nothing against it but I'm almost certain it's a minority. Would be good if we could see stats on that.

I don't think that Korean, japanese and taiwanese players can join the euro server though cause I can only switch to the amercan server. Americans can yes and a lot of them won't like that because of friends or lags or other reasons that were stated here earlier.

B Ephekt · Nov 14, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Most of the Koreans I know play on Euro servers, so I'm pretty sure it's possible.

Gun Pierson · Nov 14, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Most of the Koreans I know play on Euro servers, so I'm pretty sure it's possible.

So in the end if I may believe you the setup of the system is not working because people migrate which is another reason why it should be changed. Not that people are not welcome if it depends on me, but why have this system in the first place then?

Gli · Nov 14, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

The favor system is fine in my opinion, it acts as an initiative for pve farmers to try out pvp for a change, and ties nicely into the story line.

It doesn't tie into the storyline at all. Not one bit.

America, Europe, Korea, Japan, Taiwan... they're not part of the game world are they? How do these places fit in with the storyline? Why do the gods care about them?

Kakumei · Nov 14, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Still, I've yet to hear any valid reasons for the change other than "I want to go to UW/FoW anytime I want, it's so unfair!!!".

Save for flavor, it doesn't make sense?

Thallandor · Nov 14, 2006, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

I'm honestly wondering when pvp players will finally realise that most of the pve players and especially farmers alrdy tried pvp out and don't give a dam.

QFT

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

That's really nice that you feel that way, but I'm pretty sure you don't speak for all players.

He speaks for me at least.

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Favor is a system to encourage people to try out pvp, I don't really see how that's a bad thing. In fact, I know quite a few people who got started in tombs due to the favor mechanic... so it obviously works.

Next thing you know we will be saying how HEROs encourage players to PvP.

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Still, I've yet to hear any valid reasons for the change other than "I want to go to UW/FoW anytime I want, it's so unfair!!!".

Yes, i am sure if any Japanese and Tawainese players and future possible regional players reads this, they will very comforted by the notions that our fellow players across the seas thinks that not very one should have a chance to access some areas in the game just because of the region they live in. How considerate. Very good region promotional plan for Anet, maybe players from China(not the sweat shop gold farmers) in the future would be dumb enough to buy into this war of the world rubbish too right?

lunksunkunk · Nov 14, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Myria

Well, like a lot of the big-hair psuedo-metal bands of the 80's and 90's, eventually they just faded away...

Oh, wait...

You meant the continent?

Nebermind...

lol, the sarcastic analogy was...well......retarded? so Asia faded away? right...take a look at the back of your computer and read it back to me where it was manufactured and/or assembled? right...thought so....

arcanemacabre · Nov 14, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by lunksunkunk

lol, the sarcastic analogy was...well......retarded? so Asia faded away? right...take a look at the back of your computer and read it back to me where it was manufactured and/or assembled? right...thought so....

Just so you know, I don't think it was an analogy. I think he was joking about... well, see for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_(band)

B Ephekt · Nov 14, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by Thallandor

Next thing you know we will be saying how HEROs encourage players to PvP.

Actually I hate the fact that heros are allowed in pvp, but that has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. Fish for points more please?